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wickedeasy 74F
11197 posts
6/21/2012 3:37 pm
what i want


i don't want free health care
i want affordable health care

i don't want money for nothing
i want the opportunity for a decent job

i don't expect every election to bring the result i want
i just want my vote to count

i don't want businesses to be unprofitable
i want them out of the regulatory and political process

i don't want the wealthiest americans to pay for everything
i just want them to pay their share

this isn't something i wrote, but it is something i believe and so when it was sent to me, and it resonated, i thought i'd drop it here. so many people think that being a democrat or being a republican means we're diametrically opposed. i don't think that's true. these statements above seem to be ideas most of us can agree on. or at least talk about.

as americans, isn't it time we started to talk to each other and not at each other?

for the apst three years, we all watched the president being treated like no other other seated president has ever been treated before. disrespected by his own congress in public ways that brought international gasps of horror and in some cases delight as other countries watched america lose its grip.

never have we looked less like a country and more like brats.

disagree with someone's politics all you want. but act like a grownup. if some of the crap that happened in washington happened in a business, people would have been fired. we all know that for a fact. why do we let our elected officials act like jackasses?

in egypt, people waited in line for over 24 hours to vote. in american, less than 60% of the people who can vote even bother to vote. and if it rains? that number drops like a stone.

i want some dignity back.

You cannot conceive the many without the one.


jim50plus 66M
2358 posts
6/21/2012 4:41 pm

The older I get, the more republican I become...and it makes my skin crawl.

I do think it's abhorant that this country doesn't have a free health care system...like every other first world country.

The bigger problem is all the people that think they should have a say in a capitalist society. Course, I'm not averse to changing the system or to complete anarchy but with nuts on both ends of the spectrum, some who don't want taxes and the others who want unequal taxes, I don't expect we'll see much get done even though everyone wants the same things.


wickedeasy replies on 6/24/2012 3:19 pm:
ah jim, guess you're as tired as the rest of us, eh?

WilderThanU2 63F
2740 posts
6/21/2012 5:42 pm

Morally I'm a liberal.
Fiscally I'm conservative to a degree.
That leaves me nowhere....


rm_19harley86 74M
45446 posts
6/21/2012 6:31 pm

Some people now days,just can't understand their peers

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wickedeasy replies on 6/24/2012 3:20 pm:
and some folks just aren't willing to listen.

seems like if we could just talk, we'd get somewhere. i can argue with folks and get somewhere. so why can't washington?

SolarPowered0 118M
8346 posts
6/21/2012 8:16 pm


"in egypt, people waited in line for over 24 hours to vote. in american, less than 60% of the people who can vote even bother to vote."

Them Egyptians just ain't yet figured out that voting is for appeasement--not for getting the will of the people implemented.

When the people vote for something, and the federal courts overturn their "democratic" decision... and then the people go back to the ballot box and force an amendment to their state constitution to make their will perfectly clear... and the federal courts again overturn that "democratic" decision... does that mean that the people's votes count? OR... does it mean that it don't freakin' matter WHAT the people vote for or pressure their legislators into amending in their own constitution, the people ain't NEVER gonna get their decisions they've come to, all on their own, instituted by their own government.

So... I don't vote.

And since when does the vastly minor percentage of the people (voters or not) get to decide to ignore the laws of the land... which have existed in our Constitutional Republic for more than two centuries (pushin' four, as a matter of fact)... just because they decide to squat in the square?

And Obama wasn't treated any worse than any other president, as far as disrespect goes. Respect has to be earned, anyway--white OR black skinned is really irrelevant--and as I see it, his, and all the other commies' efforts, at turning this country into a freakin' piss-poor simile of some European Socialist petri dish for Marxist blowhards to practice their utopian ideologies in; who never worked a freakin' day in their lives--if they did they ended up hating work so much they quit to do community organizing--and yet are more than convinced (morally?) that it is perfectly fine to "steal" whatever someone else wants from someone else, and for those same blowhards to skim their take off the top, before passing off those stolen goods to the ones who voted them in...

Well... I think any minuscule degree of respect I might have had for the O-Man, as president (be he black or white or pink or green or purple), is just not worth the powder to blow it to hell.

The problem with this "democracy" shit is that the more people you get lumped together in one ballot box... the lower the common denominator becomes, when you ask them for a show of hands. Everyone wants something for nothing... and they have figured out exactly how to get it. They just vote in a bunch of criminals who are willing to cut them voters in on the take. Obama just happens to be better at it than most others.

Healthcare is a freakin' joke. It was made perfectly clear that if you wanna know what's in any legislation, you gotta pass it--first. That's how Nancy sees it... and we all know how that law (and all the others) turned out; and by the time they're done with us "American taxpayers"... Grecian economics will look like a double jackpot at the dollar slots down to the local reservation casino.

And that, you may take to any "money-center" FED-member bank. Hell; they all do--both the criminal-Marxists AND their "democracy" pushin' thugs/politicians.

I ain't no Republican--but I'd at least consider using that designation (over Democrat) as it's more American simply because you can find the word republic in the Constitution... even if no one knows WTF the word actually means. But ya just can't find that commie democracy shit in there--nowhere in there. And no one knows what that word actually means, either! But they like it--free shit from the Marxists. OHHhh YEAhhhhhhhhh.

Solar...


wickedeasy replies on 6/24/2012 3:23 pm:
really solar? obama wasn't disrespected by congress more than bush? and bush couldn't even talk!

LadyLuck2 67F  
9091 posts
6/21/2012 9:41 pm

I'm a Conservative Capitalist. I want as little government as necessary. I don't want my hard earned money that goes to taxes to pay for pork barrel ridiculous projects. I want the national debt to be addressed. People need jobs so they can afford a roof over their heads and food. I don't believe that it is the government's responsibility to take care of anyone but the veterans, the disabled, and the elderly who can't take care of themselves. I think we should cut off all foreign aid and start demanding that countries who owe us money, pay us back. We should cash in all the bonds from China and pay off some of our debt to them.

Never ignore those who care for you
you will have lost diamonds
while you were collecting stones


wickedeasy replies on 6/24/2012 3:24 pm:
wanna talk about this government is taking care of its vets?

canyaz 56F
17128 posts
6/22/2012 5:11 am

(see above)
What they said.

There is a difference between a good BJ and a bad BJ.
canyaz


rm_Quixy101 71M
9036 posts
6/22/2012 8:07 am

Good for you! As a Canadian I have been appalled by the treatment of your president. I have never seen that before. I hope its not just because he's black??? Up here in Canada we look upon the USA as an example of how things should be...or at least we used to...these last few years have caused us to think that maybe the US isn't all that it used to be. I am glad to see that you have the right idea...wish there were more of you...


wickedeasy replies on 6/24/2012 3:26 pm:
thanks Quixy -

rm_mutiger2009 69M
2853 posts
6/22/2012 11:20 pm

WE, I can agree with your first 5 statements, and I do believe most Americans would agree as well. But I don't believe that Obama has been harshly treated. He has essentially gotten a free ride from the MSM and the Congress. I think he should have been impeached, tried and found guilty of all sorts of "crimes and misdemeanors" long before now, but he has been allowed to play 100 rounds of golf rather than get serious about his job, subvert the Constitution to his own ideological ends and to pay off his supporters and in general run this country into the ground whilst blaming everyone else for it! The PEOPLE will decide what to do with Obama this November. They will also decide what to do with way too many nitwits who are suppose to be representing the PEOPLE. And no party is without its fair share of nitwits! On this point, I think you and I would likely agree.


wickedeasy replies on 6/24/2012 3:28 pm:
muti - nitwits abound.

on this we agree

and i don't care if you like or agree with obama. but to have such public displays of denigration by congress - nuh uh. nevah before has a congress done this type of thing. and yes, i think it makde us look foolish.

rm_mutiger2009 69M
2853 posts
6/23/2012 7:21 am

WE, I ran across the following this morning and I thought about your post here on Affairlook. Maybe this viewpoint will further the discussion here or maybe people will throw eggs at me. Undaunted by that terrible prospect, I nevertheless offer it.

The folks who are getting the free stuff don't like the folks who are paying for the free stuff, because the folks who are paying for the free stuff can no longer afford to pay for both the free stuff and their own stuff.

And, the folks who are paying for the free stuff want the free stuff to stop.

And the folks who are getting the free stuff want even more free stuff on top of the free stuff they are already getting!

Now... the people who are forcing the people who pay for the free stuff have told the people who are RECEIVING the free stuff that the people who are PAYING for the free stuff are being mean, prejudiced, and racist.

So... the people who are GETTING the free stuff have been convinced they need to hate the people who are paying for the free stuff by the people who are forcing some people to pay for their free stuff and giving them the free stuff in the first place.

We have let the free stuff giving go on for so long that there are now more people getting free stuff than paying for the free stuff.

Now understand this. All great democracies have committed financial suicide somewhere between 200 and 250 years after being founded. The reason?

The voters figured out they could vote themselves money from the treasury by electing people who promised to give them money from the treasury in exchange for electing them.

The United States officially became a Republic in 1776, 231 years ago. The number of people now getting free stuff outnumbers the people paying for the free stuff. We have one chance to change that in 2012. Failure to change that spells the end of the United States as we know it.

ELECTION 2012 IS COMING

A Nation of Sheep Breeds a Government of Wolves!

I'M 100% for PASSING THIS ON !!! For all our sake PLEASE Take a Stand!!!

Obama: Gone!

Borders: Closed!

Language: English only

Culture: Constitution, and the Bill of Rights!

Drug Free: Mandatory Drug Screening before Welfare!

NO freebies to: Non-Citizens!


wickedeasy replies on 6/24/2012 3:32 pm:
grins

i've seen this so many times

and sure.......works for the people who can afford stuff.

how about your mother who is living on a fixed income? and has cancer?
or the family of five who is working two jobs and then the dad get's laid off?

it's not the freeloaders

it's not the hand out.........it's the hand up

jeeze........people may be homeless muti but that doesn't mean they're less

passer58by 66M
4170 posts
6/23/2012 9:02 am

Well, since everyone else seems to have weighed in on this.....

I'm so very tired of all of the politics of fear. I am not a Republican or a Democrat or a liberal or a conservative. I'm probably more libertarian than anything else, but even then, I think the Libertarian party has some pretty messed up ideas.

I stopped voting a while ago because there are no real choices, no real options available for me. Right now we've got Mitt Romney and Barrack Obama, I'm not overly thrilled with either candidate. The Egyptians have more than two options, I believe that's a good thing, we don't, our system has the two parties deeply entrenched in power, sort of a vast average of what the population wants.

It all comes down to the "us against them" mentality that's so pervasive, as I mentioned earlier, the politics of fear. "If so and so gets elected, he's going to take away your 'this'" And if the other person gets elected, he's going to take away your 'that'.

We buy into whatever bullshit one party is selling over the other, and it's all bullshit, they will tell us whatever they think will get them elected and then, when they are in power, they will do whatever it is that they can, and most of the time, they can't do what they said they will do. And the Democrats are no better than the Republicans and the liberals and no better than the conservatives. They are all power hungry and deceitful. They have to be, that's the system that's in place and that's the system that, in their eyes, works.

Everybody needs to pay their fair share of taxes, and no, I don't know how to define "fair share". Flat tax maybe? They say that's regressive, that poor people pay an unfair portion of taxes under that system. I don't know, if I'm paying, oh say 10% and Warren Buffett is paying 10%, I think I could live with that.

Conservatives seem to get all up in arms about welfare recipients getting money, yet have no problem with tax breaks for corporations and churches, or their own little 'tax shelters'. And don't even think about cutting Social Security. It's all about self interest, I don't care who you are, I don't care what your political affiliation is, it's always about "what's in it for me". Both sides, conservatives as well as liberals have become too dependent on government to bail them out of their all too often self created problems.

We've lost our compassion, if we've ever had it. We're too worried that somebody is taking advantage of us, especially if that somebody looks a little different.

We've spent way too much money on an at best deceptively created war in Iraq, we spend too much money on an unwinable "war" on drugs, we spend too much money in countries like Pakistan who actively work against our security needs.

My guess is that if there was a man or woman out there who could solve our problems, they are probably unelectable for some ridiculous reason like they have crooked teeth, are gay, or atheist or got arrested during their college years for some sort of drug issue and didn't have a rich and connected mommy or daddy to help cover it up.

Sorry for the rant.....Gosh how I hate politics...


wickedeasy replies on 6/24/2012 3:34 pm:
me too

i'd pay more taxes for better services

why won't mitt?

SolarPowered0 118M
8346 posts
6/24/2012 10:16 am


passer58by...

Actually, there are other choices. The peeps have been convinced (brainwashed, if you will) by the true controlling forces, though, that certain of those choices are lunatics/racists/both.

example: Ron Paul just walked away with 23 of 28 Iowa (unbound) delegates at the recent Iowa GOP convention. As for the initial kak-ass, it was the Mitt-ster--by 8... then, two weeks later, Santorum magically appeared to have taken it by 34 votes.

But Santorum and Paul are just not true Americans... like the Mitt-ster is. If this ain't all the proof necessary to display how the powers-that-be play the game, then what is?

Ya gotta look at the reasons why there appear to be no choices: the "biggies" know full well that the widest spectrum of people can't make decisions which require cognitativeness beyond tossin' a freakin' coin. With Obomney and Mittrama as the "opposing forces" ( ), the peeps can do just that--toss a coin. They're gonna get the same damned thing they been gettin' for 100 years: Keynesian socialism (yes; Keynes was a socialist, although it took Nixon to start us on the proper path of debt = prosperity, in order to prevent our gold supply from being depleted by Europeans, and others, cashin' in their "dollars")--that particular -ism obviously has always come in a variety of flavors.

Everyone truly believes there is some sorta difference between the R's and the D's... and the L's and I's, and others. The only real difference is this: who's gonna put the most grease on that broomstick before they ram it home... and who's gonna pour ya a stiff enough drink beforehand so's ya don't feel anything (or even suspect anything) 'til the next morning, even if they are pourin' piss-water from the well?

And, as far as the issue of taxes... did the US make it for 125 years without "internal" taxes (give or take)... or did we not? The reason for the income tax--payroll taxes, as well--is NOT to pay for the cost of government and their handouts; it is to perpetuate a demand for Federal Reserve Notes... which is the only statutorily "legal" method for payin' them "taxes".

The idea that politics is anything but a distraction from the real issues--problems, ya could say--is why we ain't never gonna get acceptable choices for elected officials. And as long as the FED keeps shuckin' and jivin' the monetary system (contrary to the US Constitution), politicians are gonna play the game according to their revisionist-rules... rather than our supposed Constitutional Republic's "rule of law".

Ain't democracy grand? It's kinda like the Keynesian-socialist ideal that debt can be used as money. Well, it can--for a while, anyway. And where's it gotten us?: arguing over who's more likely gonna solve that monumental problem--Obomney... or Mitt-rama.

Solar...


wickedeasy replies on 6/24/2012 3:35 pm:
yeah - but no one's playing in your sandbox solar, so play where the action is.

SolarPowered0 118M
8346 posts
6/24/2012 10:56 pm


oui...

It ain't a game. (And it ain't my sandbox, either.)

I've tried for decades to get people (mostly those I know, though some I do not know) to learn--perhaps to even accept--the truth of how the system actually functions; where the "power" truly resides. But I pretty much gave up on that race as even remotely winnable--although, ever so often, I do crawl back onto that dead horse I rode in on and whip the sucker one or two more times... just to see if he'll take a breath.

He never does.

BTW: Even the bulk of the idiots comprising most of Congress have the right of expectation that their respect for any president be earned by that president. Kinda like the peeps do.

Condescension is not conducive to garnering respect; especially from one's opponents in the world of politics. One may be an asshole without forcing another's nose into the crevice and squeakin' out a fart.

The same could be said of fusion-capitalists, socialists, Marxists, commies... bankers... or whatever other labels one might wish to apply to the practitioners of that ultimately self-terminating lifestyle which relies on skimmin' the top off ill-gotten gains from ill-conceived schemes dug from deep within the pits of those delusions of grandeur... that those practitioners somehow think they can give us a better way than the one provided us in that Constitution and in the Book.

But, hey--once they call the "game", we all get to go home as winners; right? In limos; right?

Solar...


rm_mutiger2009 69M
2853 posts
6/25/2012 7:38 pm

Sure wish ol' Pat Paulsen was still around to make one more run for President! We need a man of his stature and intellectual capabilities!


wickedeasy replies on 6/30/2012 11:47 am:
muti my love

this country is flailing. if we don't learn to stop having pissing contests and start acting like grownups......we all lose

all of us

SolarPowered0 118M
8346 posts
6/30/2012 1:58 pm


stella788

You wrote:

"I think it's fair to say that while those who disrespected him and continue to do so may not be acting out of racism, conscious or otherwise...

...it seems very doubtful that they'd behave this way in public if he weren't a black man. It makes me sick"


[emphasis added]

(And which way, exactly, is that?)

Now, ain't those two statements a classic example for the meaning of diametrical? And as such, ain't it made clear by your follow-up assumption (challenging your first statement) that you, or anyone else, really do, or should, rightfully(?) conclude racism is the only true foundation for any perceived illegitimate disagreement with the King's policies?

This idea, that the man being "black" has anything to do with people opposing his ideology because of their understanding of his being a socialist/Marxist, is nothing more than "progressive" (and I use that term quite loosely) rhetoric which is used solely as a sledge-hammer for driving attention paid to the real problem (poor policies) onto a manufactured problem (racism)... with an obvious solution, which you would gladly provide, I'm sure.

Racism very well can be a real problem; some where and at some time. It is not necessarily the problem at hand, however. But... as long as people can be misled into believing it is... well, then you might very well convince the unsuspecting that "racism" truly is the motivation behind any disagreement with policies; by default--right?

So... disagreement with policies is, somehow, legitimately(?) construed to mean disrespect toward the man... because of skin color--right?

Sounds a lot like Hegelian-dialectic bullshit to me. I think ya need just a tad more practice with Hegel-isms before that crap will convince me that "racism" is my motivation for despising modernized Marxist policies. I can spot 'em a mile away--"black" OR white.

Solar...


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